The River Flows, it flows to the Sea

Rossi's latest big game rifle offering chambered in 30-30 Win, 45-70 Govt., and a .410 scattergun!

Re: The River Flows, it flows to the Sea

Postby Mad Trapper » 02 Dec 2018 15

fiber optic with the ladder would be a good way to go really.
be perfect for the 450 or 45-70, same cartridge basically, just a smaller rim, according to the american rifleman article.
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Postby Ranch Dog » 02 Dec 2018 22

My two Timber Scouts are exceptional rifles. 30-30 Win and 44 Mag.

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Postby Arroyoshark » 03 Dec 2018 00

Very nice near end of the line New Haven Winchesters. Nicely sculpted butt stock combs. Enjoy them !
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Re: The River Flows, it flows to the Sea

Postby Mad Trapper » 03 Dec 2018 10

I love those timber scouts.
talk about a fast handling hunting rifle, thats it.

Ive got two 94s, both 30-30,
the 94AE that i had cut and crowned.
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The other is a new unfired 94, serial # puts it at 1956.
It stays in the safe for now, i take it out now and then, just to look upon it.
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Postby Arroyoshark » 03 Dec 2018 13

Excellent examples of the iconic 1894 ! Gotta love some Winchester pxxn - even if it is in a Rossi venue, ha ha.

in the West, the short barreled Winchesters, probably Marlins as well, played an important role with folks running trap lines. I have personal acquaintance with a fellow who used to run family ranch near Hillsboro, NM who extensively collected Winchester 1892's & 1894's. He has several "trapper" and "baby carbine" examples with 10" and 12" and 14" barrels. Suspect all have been determined as C&R by ATF. He says they could be custom ordered from Winchester back in the day, He used to exhibit them at the gun shows in Albuquerque. He is also an old high school chum of Bart Skelton from Deming, son of gunny writer, Skeeter Skelton. At any rate with the loads the trappers had to carry out and the aspect of encountering still lively animals in the traps, these really short handy "trapper" models had utility. They certainly would be more point-able and accurate than a handgun. Today, of course, federal law requires minimum barrel length of 16 inches.

As an aside, in the debate over Rossi low manufacturing standards versus Winchester/Miroku .. and Uberti manufacture ... Rossi has and had every opportunity to achieve higher quality with its contemporary rifles and stay competitive, but I believe that has not been its corporate model. Perhaps with new factory and machinery there is opportunity for better machining and fitment - we'll see.

The Rossi Rio Grande certainly was a hit or miss production of a marlinisque clone.
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Postby Mad Trapper » 03 Dec 2018 18

Skeeter loved his 357 magnum revolvers.
Ive tried to read everything he has written.
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Postby Arroyoshark » 04 Dec 2018 06

Here is a link to a number of his articles.

http://www.darkcanyon.net/skeeter_skelton.htm
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Postby Ranch Dog » 04 Dec 2018 07

Arroyoshark wrote:The Rossi Rio Grande certainly was a hit or miss production of a marlinisque clone.

Despite my like of them and owning three, I bet 90% of those purchased turned owners away from Rossi forever. It was a kit rifle, especially the 30-30, it needed a lot of fitting.
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Re: The River Flows, it flows to the Sea

Postby Mad Trapper » 04 Dec 2018 10

Arroyoshark wrote:Here is a link to a number of his articles.

http://www.darkcanyon.net/skeeter_skelton.htm


Thank you Arroyoshark,
Ive got it on favorites, excellent reference material.
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Re: The River Flows, it flows to the Sea

Postby Mad Trapper » 04 Dec 2018 10

Ranch Dog wrote:
Arroyoshark wrote:The Rossi Rio Grande certainly was a hit or miss production of a marlinisque clone.

Despite my like of them and owning three, I bet 90% of those purchased turned owners away from Rossi forever. It was a kit rifle, especially the 30-30, it needed a lot of fitting.


I think it was dixie gun works that sold the kit guns in certain firearms.
One was the colt walker, it was in kit form, oversized,unfinished grips, sharp edges throughout the internals,unblued, in the white, etc.
Cant remember who they were from, uberti maybe, or army san marcos.
Anyway, they were top quality guns, just like the other guns they made, they just took so many and skipped the final finishing process, and sold them at a discount as kit guns.
So people had a choice, pay more for the finished product, or save a chunk of money and do the finishing work yourself, personal choice.
They were well put together but needed finishing, thats where most of the factory time and money/labor went into was the final finishing and tuning, thats why chiappas and henrys cost sooo much more.
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